15/10!

"Cé hé sin" (michael-m-mouse)
10/15/2016 at 16:25 • Filed to: Talbot, Simca, 1510, Alpine, Chrysler

Want a different name because you don’t like Simca? Try a Talbot, with added rust. They were noted for rust, even by the standards of the time.

Don’t like the final 1? Try a 150, just for Spain. I hadn’t realised the 180 became a Talbot as well.

Want a whole different name? Try an Alpine. Bonus Talbot Samba convertible.

Don’t like Talbot, but like Chrysler?

DISCUSSION (13)

BvdV - The Dutch Engineer > Cé hé sin
10/15/2016 at 16:55

I saw an ad for a quite decent, not too rusty Simca 1307 (Basically the same thing) a few days ago. It wasn’t too expensive too, something like €3k.

It was quite tempting, but on the other hand I have no need for a rare boring-ish French hatchback, parts supply would probably be terrible and the rust will probably be worse than it looks like in the pictures.

Cé hé sin > BvdV - The Dutch Engineer
10/15/2016 at 17:53

I haven’t seen one in ages, even in classic car shows and so on.

Rare beast in France too - I asked Monsieur Google and he couldn’t find a single one that was being sold as a runner, just a few being scrapped

Jonee > Cé hé sin
10/15/2016 at 17:53

I’m surprised that many survived. Those photos don’t look very old.

BvdV - The Dutch Engineer > Cé hé sin
10/15/2016 at 17:58

I found it, it is actually a Chrysler 1307GLS judging by the badge:

http://www.autoscout24.de/Details.aspx?id=277260346

Cé hé sin > Jonee
10/15/2016 at 17:59

I’m not so sure. I asked M Google and there aren’t any 1307s on sale in France that he knows about.

The picture in Spain has cars from the 1990s and 2000s but nothing newer so it’s probably from that era.

Cé hé sin > BvdV - The Dutch Engineer
10/15/2016 at 18:02

58 bhp! Times change..

Looks remarkably good from the pictures.

BvdV - The Dutch Engineer > Cé hé sin
10/15/2016 at 18:40

I think that was extremely little power, even when it was new.

I also found a Simca Horizon 1.3 GLS with even less kms, it looks almost new.

http://www.autoscout24.de/Details.aspx?id=280146677

Damn, I shouldn’t spend too much time looking at low-budget classics....

duurtlang > BvdV - The Dutch Engineer
10/16/2016 at 04:37

Do as I did and get a €300 1986-ish Peugeot 205. If it still has the suitcase engine (the one that’s tilted 72 degrees and in which transmission and engine share oil) it’s basically a 1970s car mechanically, yet it’s reliable and parts availability is good. Entertaining to drive and very cheap in tax/insurance as well.

A bit of a boring choice maybe, but a good introduction to old car ownership.

BvdV - The Dutch Engineer > duurtlang
10/16/2016 at 10:49

Well, actually that doesn’t sound like a bad idea. It’s certainly a better idea than buying an old Daf 55/66, which I’ve been thinking about for a while, but I think those might be a little too advanced as a first old car, seeing they have a vacuum operated Variomatic, and rust like crazy. So yeah, an 80s Peugeot sounds like a great idea compared to that.

duurtlang > BvdV - The Dutch Engineer
10/16/2016 at 11:07

See if you can find one local to you and take it for a test drive. It might convince you. Note that mine costs €5.xx per month in insurance as a second car (old-timer at unive) and tax would be about €15 (749 kg). Or a quarter of that due to the old-timer overgangsregeling. So, relatively speaking comically cheap.

I do want to mention that mechanically there’s a huge difference between a 1983-1987 low level 205 (70s technology) and a mid 90s 205 (drivetrain lasted to the mid 00s)

BvdV - The Dutch Engineer > duurtlang
10/16/2016 at 12:38

A quick look around for pre-1987 205s in my area yielded only a few automatics, and one manual in seemingly very bad shape, though I must say I only invested 5 minutes into searching.

duurtlang > BvdV - The Dutch Engineer
10/16/2016 at 14:18

1987 will do too. Also for the overgangsregeling. Anyway, it’s merely a suggestion :)

BvdV - The Dutch Engineer > duurtlang
10/16/2016 at 14:54

Suggestions are always welcome! And it’s quite a good one in this case.